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Swap and Save 0.20% or More

Written by Admin | Mar 5, 2025 7:28:00 PM

Negative swap spreads aren’t a new phenomenon, but over the past four years, swap rates have traded inside of Treasurys by an increasing amount. Take 5 year rates for example – the spread between the two indices has tightened roughly 0.24%.

This dynamic has been a common topic of discussion throughout the year. If you’re not familiar with what it means for you, consider the following – assume you’re locking a 5 year fixed rate with a 2.00% spread.

  • If locking off Treasurys – 3.76% 5 year Treasury + 2.00% spread = 5.76%.
  • If locking a bank swap – 3.52% 5 year swap + 2.00% spread = 5.52% - 0.24% lower!

With more banks fighting to win deals, we thought it’d be a good time to revisit some benefits of swapping. To start, we’ve included key takeaways and answers to a few FAQs.

 

Executive Summary

  • Bank swap rates are below Treasurys with an equivalent term and the spread between the two has tightened over recent years. Including assumed credit charges in the swap rates, Treasury yields are 0.18% - 0.37% higher.
  • The breakage on a swap is considerably less than the penalty on a similar Treasury based fixed rate loan that’s subject to defeasance or yield maintenance.
  • If the underlying lender is a bank with the ability to do swaps, then the borrower has access to other hedging options (eg caps, collars, and deferred premium caps). These could be used in conjunction with a swap to create a “hybrid hedging” strategy.
  • 99% of swaps are done with the underlying lender but that doesn’t mean a hedge advisor isn’t necessary. Hedge advisors bring their expertise to the borrower’s side of the table to help negotiate and execute directly with the lender.

 

Frequently Asked Questions

Is there an online resource I can use to obtain approximate bank swap rates?

  • Yes, these are displayed in two sections on the Pensford homepage – Quick Rates and Interest Rates.


When you say, “bank swap,” what exactly does that mean?

  • There are two common types of swaps – bank and OIS
    • “Bank swaps” are typically structured with monthly payments and 1M SOFR. These are the typical conventions used when a CRE borrower swaps to fixed.
    • OIS conventions are based on annual payments and daily SOFR. This is the index some CMBS fixed rate loans are locked off.

What’s the difference between the swap rate I see in the WSJ or the widget on my brokerage’s site and what’s on yours?

  • In 99% of cases, the swap rates found online or in the news are OIS. While close, the rates are still different from the equivalent term bank swap rate.
  • Under the Interest Rate section of the Pensford homepage, we’ve provided the option to toggle bank and OIS swap rates.

I’m borrowing from a debt fund – can I still do a swap?

  • In 99% of cases, if the underlying lender isn’t also the hedge provider, then swapping is not a feasible option.
  • Since swaps create credit exposure, the swap provider will need some sort of collateral to secure its position. If the underlying lender is the hedge provider, the real estate can be used. This is a main reason caps are the only option on Agency and debt fund loans.

Below, we dive deeper into the benefits of swaps vs other fixed rate options.

 

Swap rates are below Treasurys

We’ve already established that the 5 year swap rate is 0.24% less than the Treasury based rate. Here’s a table comparing Treasurys to swap rates (including assumed credit charges) across a range of tenors.



You can create your own open period

A typical floating rate bank deal has no prepayment penalty, and all swaps mature at par (meaning no penalty either). If your lender is allowing a hedge shorter than the initial loan term, then you can effectively create your own open window, with no spread adder to boot!

Assume a 5 year $50mm I/O loan at SOFR + 2.00%, with plans to prepay at the end of year 3. You could lock a 5 year swap at 5.52% all in and deal with the breakage at the end of year 3.

Here’s a sample of what the breakage, expressed as a percentage of the loan balance, could look like under different rate environments. Note, negative figures represent a liability to the borrower.


Here’s how to interpret the table:

  • If rates follow current expectations, the 2 year swap rate 3 years from now would be 3.42%. The breakage (due by borrower) would be around 0.20% of the loan balance.
  • If rates are 2.00% above market expectations (implying a 5.42% 2 year rate), the swap would have a positive value (received by the borrower) of 3.88% of the loan balance.
  • If rates are 2.00% below market expectations (implying a 1.42% 2 year rate), the swap would have a breakage of around 4.29% of the loan balance.

Alternatively, a 3 year swap could be locked in around 5.45% all in. Here’s a sample of what the breakage would look like at the end of year 3:

0.00% – all swaps mature at par!

Another way to frame this is eliminating your financing risk for as long as possible, while matching your interest rate risk to your expected hold term. What happens if you don’t sell/refinance as planned? You execute a replacement hedge.

 

Ability to use hybrid hedging strategies

Want to fix some portion of the debt but retain floating exposure? Maybe the desire is driven by the belief that rates are going to fall, or perhaps you just want to reduce the initial outlay (cap cost). You don’t necessarily have to swap 100% of the loan balance.

We wrote about hybrid hedging strategies here.

 

Can buy the rate down as much as desired

Where some lenders only allow a limited rate buydown, or others won’t permit it at all, buying down a swap rate is simple. The cost of doing so is a factor of (i) the present value of each basis point on the swap aka PV01, and (ii) the number bps the rate is being bought down.

Building off our $50mm 5 year example, the PV01 is ~$23k. Therefore, if the target rate was 5.25% all in, the cost to buy it down 27 bps would be $621k ($23k * 27). The swap buydown is also significantly cheaper than a cap with a strike equivalent to the swap rate.

Side note – buying down a swap rate reduces the future potential prepayment penalty (compared to the market rate).

 

If the swap breakage is bad, the defeasance premium will be worse

We often hear groups say they have a firm “no swaps” policy due to a trade that went bad in one of the previous cycles. But unless you swear off ALL fixed debt, “swap” shouldn’t necessarily be a dirty word.

Below, I’ve included the same table above from our 5 year swap that’s terminated at the end of year 3.


Next, I’ve included a table assuming the loan is locked off Treasurys (at 5.76%) and is subject to defeasance.


As seen above, the defeasance premiums are considerably more than the swap breakages under the various rate environments. This is because a swap is only against the borrower by the amount of the credit charge on day one, whereas a defeasance or yield maintenance is against borrower by the amount of the spread.

Furthermore, we can help terminate a swap over a 5 minute phone call but a standard defeasance process can take 30+ days and includes $50k+ of transaction costs.

Defeasance and yield maintenance penalties are relatively similar, but yield maintenance provisions often include a 1% minimum, whereas a defeasance can be in favor of the borrower (more on that here). If rates are above market expectation in the future, the yield maintenance provision could end up being more costly.

 

What about declining flat percent?

A discussion about prepayment penalties wouldn’t be complete without mentioning declining flat %. This option seems to be common on balance sheet fixed debt and can give swapping a run for its money. The penalty is simple math, so I won’t break it out, but from our perspective, it provides an easy known quantity. The tradeoff is there’s no potential upside (like with a swap) if rates are higher in the future.

When our clients evaluate the two options, they often reach out for help quantifying the potential swap breakages for an apples-to-apples comparison. If you’re not doing the same, give us a shout.

 

You get to work with us!

One of the most common things we hear is that borrowers don’t realize they can engage an advisor to help with their swap, since they’re trading with the underlying lender. In 99% of cases, the underlying lender will remain the hedge provider, our scope of work just looks different than what it does for a cap purchase.

In lieu of taking the hedge out to market and running an auction, we bring our expertise to your side of the table to help negotiate and execute directly with the lender. In addition to looking out for your best interests, our involvement includes:

  • Verifying the rate before you lock it in
  • Negotiating the ISDA agreement
  • Quantifying and negotiating the credit charge
  • Quarterbacking the pre-trade documentation
  • Strategic dialogue around structure
  • Term sheet comparison

Pensford has been a trusted partner of real estate investors for over 15 years. Our deep industry expertise and transparency enables our clients to make informed decisions, helping to protect their investments from market volatility and ensure stability.

Interested in seeing what’s out there for one of your assets, give us a call at 704-887-9880, email us at pensfordteam@pensford.com, or respond directly to this.